A collection of strange objects.
Rather than leave out any reader comments that apply to Nagualism, we have
created this column as a storehouse of whatever you find out there and care
to send in.
Another don Juan lineage Nagual?!?!
So you ask yourself, what happened to Pablito, Nestor, the little Sisters,
and the rest of the gang. According to Marilyn Tunnestende, she took them
over and is leading them. At least that's what I'm told she will say in
next month's issue of Magical Blend. It's issue 44 and will be available
August 8th. I got the impression that she was going to say something to
the effect that Carlos is an idiot. I am told that she does not share the
same agent with the rest of the group (Toltec Artists).
Source: Chico, CA
How about an apprentice?
...How does Ken Eagle feather fit into all of this? I have his book, "Traveling
with Power" in which he claims to be an apprentice to don Juan. The experiences
he relates seem much different and even frivolous when compared to those
of the other apprentices...
Source: Northbrook, IL
Editor: Personally, I hope everyone in the world is either a Nagual or an
apprentice of don Juan and I'm the only idiot. That way my chances of succeeding
are better. Maybe Carlos will clear this up.
No new Nagual.
... according to a guy who has been to most of the [Carlos Castaneda] seminars,
and met C.C. several times, there is no Nagual in training and don Juan
and Castaneda's lineage has come to an end-- the "Rule" is no longer in
effect. Consequently, there is some sort of new rule that applies more to
Source: Glendale, CA
Editor: Don Juan's lineage coming to an end doesn't account for the "horde
of angry sorcerers". I was kinda hoping for a date with Josefina.
A bunch of squirrels.
... having met Taisha Abelar at a book signing, last year, where I became
very disheartened by the overt defensiveness among the other people attending.
Taisha seemed to be the only friendly and open person there.
You'd think that these folks would use her behavior as an example, and not
act like a bunch of squirrels---then it dawned on me, that they're presence
was not a reflection on the author or the teachings, but, the result of
an unscrutinized mailing list.
Source: Glendale, CA
Editor: I've experienced the attack of the killer squirrels too.
One thing that I don't understand is that Castaneda says that his group
doesn't use ritual. But the use of crystals and stones, the building of
boxes and putting people in caves to me seems like ritual...
Source: New Bern, NC
Editor: You raise a good point here. Don Juan has mentioned the value of
ritual (repetitious movements) many times in connection with shutting down
the internal dialog. But the recapitulation crate is not ritual, it's technique.
See the interview involving Taisha in last month's issue; any place will
do, even a bus. The rocks and crystals came from the inorganic beings, not
don Juan. The inorganic beings seem to love ritual. The remainder of the
rituals may have come from the Death Defier and don Juan didn't seem too
happy about that. He worried that the sum total of those rituals might destroy
his line of sorcerers. He also implied that the power plant techniques given
to Carlos came from that source.
At any rate, I can tell you from first hand experience that the use of things
like the pebbles has it's price. I learned concentration clutching the pebbles.
My tendons hurt for months from the pressure. I learned marvelous concentration
and had enough hair-raising experiences to be satisfied I was learning something.
But now I have a feeling about the stones. I like them. I associate concentration
with something I can grab. I have a feeling of nostalgia for the little
rocks. I believe this falls into the "liens and mortgages on awareness"
category don Juan devised in The Fire from Within.
What has happened to the original apprentices Carlos was to serve as Nagual?
Where they part of the group that Carlos took into another world from the
little church in southern Mexico? Does he still interact with them? What
is the rule of the Three-pronged Nagual? What facets does it have besides
Carlos says not to hunt to join the Castaneda clan; that if a person successfully
recapitulates, the sorcerers will find that person. Does that promise hold
true even after Carlos has left human life behind? Was doa Soledad's dog
the same one Taisha Abelar knew as Manfred?
Source: Little Rock, AR
Editor: I've got an idea. Write to that address under the Nagualist Organizations
heading, the Toltec Artists, and ask Carlos himself. Just don't put MY name
Sad but true.
Nagualism does produce drastic results. My behavior, thoughts and feelings
today are very different from what they were ... I have found that it is
very difficult on those who know you when you begin to change drastically
over short periods of time. People try very hard to re stabilize you into
their idea of "who you are". If your relationships with other people in
your life now are very important to you, it would be best to think very
carefully about what you may very likely lose...
Source: Wilbraham, MA
Editor: Everything you cared about is what you lose. That doesn't mean a
person would have it any other way. Still, sometimes it produces a feeling
Well, maybe not that sad.
... I believe that the life changes [produced by Nagualism] amount to giving
up stuff that wasn't worth much in the first place... Don Juan probably
would have pointed out that in the case of men, what we're really worrying
about is lost sex. No matter how you look at it, it wasn't worth the price.
I guess the real trouble comes in when all of the people who were hanging
on you find out you aren't behaving the way they want you to. They try to
turmoil you into line, but it doesn't work. The recapitulation gives you
a kind of immunity. In my case, I actually noticed that nervous feelings
in my stomach controlled my interactions with most people. After recapitulating
a particular person, the spasms were practically gone. That allowed me to
stop and look at the actual interaction instead of reacting to a nervous
impulse. I was always waiting for a "feeling" explosion from the other person
and that made me flinch emotionally. Now I can simply watch. I'm expecting
the explosion, but I don't flinch, and it comes and doesn't matter. The
result is that I agree with don Juan. The only feelings a person has are
those convenient to them at the time. Believing otherwise is a social construct
designed to make it all seem noble.
The strangest part is that this calm appraisal of human interaction leads
one to notice that people feel what they want to feel in most cases. And
most of the time they like to feel all muddled up and victimized.
Castaneda lectures in Berkeley.
... In December, we were invited to attend a series of Castaneda lectures,
followed by the teaching of Sorcerer Passes. The experience was engaging,
to say the least...
Source: Berkeley, CA
Editor: As part of an ongoing project, any readers who have been taught
the sorcery passes are requested to suggest corrections to the sample drawings
in this issue. Eventually, we might develop perfect representations.
'Two Bears' Genaro?
Is this dreaming at all similar to the shamanic journey; specifically that
done by Michael Harner? Just learned that perhaps don Genaro was Tom "Two
Bears" Wilson, Navajo Medicine Man and President of the Native American
Church. Now names are not important, but it is interesting. If interested,
check out Star Warrior: the Story of Swift Deer by Bill Wahlberg.
Source: Bozeman, MT
Editor: Maybe he was. Don Juan was a "stockholder", so why not? Did he just
disappear when don Juan did or did he die and leave a body around? If he
is still alive or there was a body when he died, then he isn't Genaro according
to Carlos' books. Genaro left this world, boots and all.
But is it real?
... Is this stuff real? My belly and experience agrees, but I'm not really
sure. I think that something probably happened to CC, maybe to TA & FD as
well. But I'm not certain that it's as they presented it, or even similar.
If my experience didn't fall into place with it, I'd have definitely laughed
Source: San Francisco, CA
Editor: It works, that's a good start. This reader practices Zen too. From
my experience, Enlightenment Heightened awareness. It takes a certain energy
configuration to enter it once and remain there permanently. In the Carlos
interview in this issue, he emphasizes the concept of "IT" which is also
a Zen concept. This reader suggested the Zen practice of walking for 5 minutes
between meditation sessions.
The insane ape club.
... I did have the good fortune to hear Mr. Castaneda speak, once. It was
last fall, in Palo Alto. The thing that struck me most vividly was his description
of us as insane apes, who imitate, who copy, who start clubs and cults and
groups, and who can never do anything alone...
Source: Berkeley, CA
Editor: Welcome to the insane ape newsletter. This reader also attended
the recent witches' lectures in Berkeley.
Losing his edge?
Last November I experienced a lapse in my study of Dreaming. I don't know
if it was intentional or not, but that's besides the point. I found myself
in the middle of a sexual relationship which lasted only 4 or 5 days. The
outcome- a conception of a child. I left the scene on my way to Hawaii not
knowing of the conception until my return.
My lapse has continued for reasons unknown to me. I've been walking around
waiting for my will to continue and I have started my recapitulation. I
am in the same place as the woman who is having the baby and our relationship
is nil... The thing I'm concerned about is the baby stealing my edge as
don Juan put it. Is there any practices that I could undertake to prevent
this? Would I have to meet a Nagual to gain this knowledge?
Source: Moab, UT
Editor: We don't have the answer, but eventually someone is bound to ask
Carlos or group and report the answer here. Or you might figure out the
answer by recapitulating and studying Chapter 3 of The Second Ring of
As a last resort, maybe you will pass the second gate and be able to ask
a scout. As far as the dreaming lapse goes, I've experienced that myself.
Dreaming requires freed energy. Anything that ties up our awareness can
interrupt it. As I'm sure you know, that especially includes the recapitulation,
and every aspect of male/female mating.
Nagualist Newsletter and Open Forum /
2 Aug. /Sept. 1994